Talk:Xinmin, Liaoning

Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn Kotniski (talk) 09:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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Xinmin, Liaoning → Xinmin — There is absolutely no reason that a city of around 700,000 cannot be the primary topic of this name over a secondary school in Singapore; the only reason is that Pengyanan conducts mass moves and fails to provide a reason most of the time. A simple Google search will show that searching "Xinmin Liaoning" or "Xinmin City" for this Xinmin will give 699,000 results, while "Xinmin Secondary School" will yield 258,000. The ratio is even more lopsided when using Google Books: there are over 2,000 results for the city (using both search terms) and at best 150 for the school. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Oppose. Many thanks for your good-faith accusation against me. Now I provide to you a reason for at least one of my "mass moves". Your search results are flawed. You do not consider Xinmin Evening News and Xinmin Weekly, which was what I actually had in my mind when I moved Xinmin to "Xinmin, Liaoning". By Google search, there are 10,300,000 results for 新民晚报 and 3,400,000 for 新民市. By Google Books, there are only 16 results for "Xinmin City". Although there are 1850 results for Xinmin + City, many of them are not about the city. 14 out of 20 in the first two pages are not about the city. In this ratio, only around 500 results actually talks about the city. There are 584 results for Xinmin + Liaoning, while there are 798 for Xinmin Wanbao, 888 for Xinmin Evening News, 418 for Xinmin Weekly and 103 for Xinmin Zhoukan. The 699,000 results for Xinmin City in your general Google search are also flawed. Just as the Google books search, many of them are not about the city. When we just searching Xinmin, there is even not any result on the first five pages for the city, but there are results for the newspaper and the school on the first page. Therefore there is no clear evidence showing Xinmin City is the primary topic for Xinmin. --Pengyanan (talk) 17:46, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

My purpose of this discussion was not necessarily to move the page, but to force you to come here and explain yourself (and spend time to do so). That you could not even provide a good explanation (other than DAB) for your moves when your edit summaries are amongst the wordiest I have seen is inexcusable. The explanation is far too late, and guidelines regarding article titles are for English usage. In any case, "新民" on the Chinese Wiki was only about the city.

That I did not appear to consider Xinmin Evening News and Xinmin Weekly was because I had already discounted them due to the weak showings (in English) in the regular Google Search.

"Good-faith accusation". A Chinese like you should know that our culture holds a "guilty until innocent" belief. In any case, the 'accusations' themselves were just characterising you as not knowing what you were doing. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 18:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Withdraw. Was never genuine about this move anyway. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 23:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your "kind" words for me and your withdrawing your request. So I will move Xinmin (disambiguation) back to Xinmin since you do not require the city to be the primary page. --Pengyanan (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.